3WM will be at the Appeals hearing of U.S. Private Andre Fisher on August 9, 11:10 am at Seoul High Court Room 404.

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U.S. Army Private First Class Fights:  A Wrongful Conviction in $88 Robbery?

By Aneika  A. McDonald with 3WM

Editor’s Note: 3wm is working to get a straight question and response interview with the parents of  Andre Fisher. We will be updating the status of Andre Fisher as events warrant. Mr Fisher is currently incarcerated.

The Petition to Ensure Private First Class Andre Fisher Gets a Fair Trial in South Korea

Camp Casey

U.S. Army Private First Class Andre Fisher, 22, will stand in a Korean appeals court on August 9, 2011 in an attempt to overturn a two year conviction, based on grainy video evidence in which the perpetrator’s face was not visible.

After a night out partying, Fisher was accused by a taxi driver of stealing $88 from his taxi. Having denied even entering the cab, Fisher emptied his pockets which contained $14. Fisher was taken into custody by Korean police, and subsequently stood trial in which the prosecutor’s solitary evidence was a grainy surveillance video of a man wearing a hood with his face obscured. Fisher was sentenced to a 2 year prison term and awaits his pending appeals hearing.

According to Fisher’s family, Fisher’s Camp Casey military commanders have been unresponsive to their inquiries, and the U.S. Embassy admits no knowledge of the case.

Local expats have expressed outrage at the questionable conviction, shedding light on the undercurrents of racial prejudice within Korean society.  “I think many people in the expat community will agree that in the case of ‘he-said, she-said’ situations, the Korean authorities are pretty much always going to side with the Korean,” says one expat from Atlanta.

For up to date information on the Andre Fisher matter, join the “Bring Andre Fisher Home” page on Facebook.

For coverage from Andre Fisher’s hometown paper.

For coverage from MADAME NOIRE

For an article on the  parents who adopted Andre Fisher

From a string of emails between 3WM and Jill Fisher, the sister of accused U.S. Private First Class Andre Fisher:

Editor’s Note. 3WM has confirmed and will accept the request from Andre Fisher’s sister that the previously published email between her and 3wm be removed from the story. The gist of the email is that:

–Andre Fisher’s family is doing everything they can to secure a fair second  trial– as of now scheduled for August  9.

–That the American military  and diplomatic powers that be stand up for the due process that Andre Fisher is in need of.

–That the Cultural differences between South Korea and the U.S., i.e.,  Andre Fisher being a black man adopted by white parents, not be used against him in the courts nor in his everyday treatment in prison.


This is the rough draft of the petition being prepared for advocacy in the case of Private First Class Andre Fisher. The final petition will be ready soon. Check for current info and what you can do:  Bring PFC Andre Fisher home!!!

Contact Name

Re: Imprisoned soldier Andre Fisher, (Private First Class, Camp Casey, South Korea)

Dear (CONTACT),

When an individual joins the U.S. military, they do so out of love for their country, and a commitment to defending the ideals that have made this country great: liberty, equal opportunity, and justice. Our soldiers are fully aware of the risks of enlistment. They are aware that they could be sent off to war at moment’s notice and that they could lose their lives, limbs, and psychological well being as a result. They are aware of the fear and anxiety their parents, spouses, children, and friends feel at the prospect of them returning home in a casket. Despite these risks and concerns, our service men and women enlist anyway; with the faith that the military will act in the best interests of the country, and its soldiers.

Unfortunately, this faith has been dashed for many of your constituents who learned of the incarceration of Andre Fisher, a 22-year-old Private First Class, in a South Korean prison. According to news reports on MSNBC and local newspapers from around the country, a cab driver accused Fisher of stealing $88 from his car. Fisher denied having even entered the cab and even emptied his pockets containing $14. Subsequently, Fisher was taken into custody by Korean police, and a trial ensued in which the prosecutor’s only evidence was a grainy surveillance video of a man wearing a hood in which his face was not visible. Based on the video evidence in which the accuser’s face was not visible, Fisher was sentenced to 2 years imprisonment in a South Korean prison for the theft of $88. Additionally, according to Fisher’s parents in the news reports, military commanders have been unresponsive to their requests for information on exactly what took place, how the legal process was handled, and why Fisher was handed over to the Korean authorities in the manner that he was

We are not writing to argue for or against Mr. Fisher’s innocence; that cannot be determined from the information available to the public. Nor are we writing to argue the egregious abuse of power the Korean legal system has demonstrated with such a lengthy sentence in a case involving such a meager amount of money. Instead, we are writing you because we believe our military service men and women deserve better treatment from the military than Mr. Fisher has received; and are petitioning you to intervene on Mr. Fisher’s behalf by investigating whether or not the military played its role in ensuring Mr. Fisher received proper legal support and counsel.  We also ask you to exert your influence in ensuring the Korean government granted Mr. Fisher a fair and impartial trial. We encourage you to consider and investigate the following:

1.  As many American expatriates, particularly African-American expatriates, in South Korea will confirm, in the case of “he said- she said” scenarios, the Korean authorities will ofter side with their countrymen.  According to Mr. Fisher’s parents, Mr. Fisher never entered the accuser’s taxi.  However, he was taken into custody based on the fact that the taxi driver pointed him out as the thief and despite the fact that he emptied his pockets possessing only $14.

2.  The Korean justice system has a conviction rate of 99% which could be the consequence of several elements within their legal system, particularly loose evidence standards as apparent in the case of Mr. Fisher’s trial. According to Mr. Fisher’s parents, the only evidence submitted in the trial was a grainy surveillance video of a male wearing a hood. Again, the man’s face was not visible in the video, according to news reports.

3.  What has the military done on Mr. Fisher’s behalf to ensure that he received a fair trial?

We call on you, (CONTACT) to intervene on Mr. Fisher’s behalf in ensuring that due-process takes course and that Mr. Fisher receives a fair trial. It is a sad day when doubt of whether our military will defend and protect our warriors in these types of situations are allowed to take root; on foreign soil of all places.

Thank you for your attention.

To email Aneika A. McDonald directly: aneika.mcdonald@yahoo.com
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54 Responses to “3WM will be at the Appeals hearing of U.S. Private Andre Fisher on August 9, 11:10 am at Seoul High Court Room 404.”

  1. Larrym Says:

    I’d seen somewhere that he had been charged with robbery, not just theft, and in Korea that apparently means there was damage or violence or something used. Seems to be more going on here, than what some people are being told.

  2. Stephannie White Says:

    Thank you very much Liam/3WM for getting Andre’s story out. Yes, Larrym, the korean media is SOO accurate with details I’m sure we can trust the whole ‘robbery’ and insinuation of violence that you bring to the forum – NOT. Please dont be one of those A$$es who just has to muddy the water and shift focus from getting Andre out of prison in one of the most racist countries on earth, where bloodline purity is still tracked through the family registry.

  3. wetcasements Says:

    I know nothing about the military except what I’ve seen on television, but shouldn’t the US command have supplied him with a lawyer?

  4. Jake Says:

    So Larry where exactly did you see that?
    We don’t need urban legends internet superstar we need transparency in the case of Andre Fisher.

  5. jakesdarkplace Says:

    Being from san diego, i know exactly how some soldiers act knowing that they will most likely face military justice should their assery get out of hand. Everyone knows, you go out with your superior officer and he lets the boys get away with pretty much whatever.

    How this guy ended up in a taxi alone(soldiers for the most part arent allowed in hongdae and are never without battle buddies–such is the policy) is beyond me but that itself is a violation.

    1. What does his battle buddy for the night out have to say?

    2. How is it he was singled out for this? It wasn’t the product of random finger pointing. The taxi driver must have known his face. Right?

    3. Yes, the embassy(or military) will provide a translator and or a lawyer if need be. But understand how this works. Lawyers in Korea are motivated by money. The more you pay for the service, the more you get out of it.
    I dont want to hear the black card being played on this one. The article and petition are missing some key facts.

    Japan took steps to end such and I am glad Korea is doing it too. Who know’s what he really did. Maybe he didn’t do a damn thing. This could just be an example after years dealing with drunken meat heads causing problems. Then again, maybe he was a drunken asshole causing problems.

    Either way, he should never have been alone.

  6. CindyReed Says:

    Jake if you read the story it says Andre was seen on a surveilance camera that was of grainy quality.
    The taxi driver could have just picked the first soldier in a hood around him.

  7. Jake @ expatHELL Says:

    I’ve said it hundreds of times and countless people have argued against me and called me crazy, but I’ll say it again:

    If you are a foreigner being accused of a crime that you did or did not commit, YOUR BEST OPTION is to RUN RUN RUN from the scene. 99% conviction rate? Think about that for a moment. Think about all of the cases that have little or ZERO evidence but still result in a conviction. Think about all the cases that are solely based on “I saw him do it” or “I saw someone who looked like him do it”.

    The Korean justice system is an absolute JOKE from top to bottom. How can Korean lawyers can PRETEND to be honorable people? They are one rung below used car salesmen.

    Who in their right mind DOESN’T try to escape from the police when the conviction rate is 99%? What exactly do you have to lose? You are GOING to be convicted regardless or whether or not you were even near the scene of the crime.

    We don’t have the details, but consider this:

    1. Grainy video footage of a man, face completely concealed is being used for evidence.

    2. Claimed $88 stolen, but suspect stopped with only $14 in his pocket. Where did the money go? How much time elapsed between the supposed crime and the apprehension of the suspect?

    3. Who are the witnesses and what do they claim to have seen? Are there actually any witnesses other than the accuser?

    And that’s all just common sense stuff.

    Here some opinion:

    -Korean cab drivers have ZERO credibility
    -The average Korean in Korea cannot tell two black people apart
    -Fraud and false allegations are extremely common in Korea
    -Lying to the police is extremely common in Korea, and is almost a national past time
    -This man should have RUN AWAY from the scene
    -If he HAD run, the incompetent, lazy police would never have caught him
    -The Korean “justice” system is an absolute joke
    -Korean lawyers are a joke
    -Korean law firms are a joke
    -Korean judges are the biggest joke

    *note: There is a tiny chance that this man DID commit the crime, and that despite earning MORE than a measly taxi driver, decided to ROB one. It’s also possible that a unicorn came and ate the evidence.

  8. Mizaru Says:

    Finally some well told common sense from poster 7, and I have been waiting to say this. The research I have done and by communicating with Andre’s sister, it seems clear to me that he comes from a good family (Though he was adopted and my instincts tell me that the Korean Judicial system did hold that against him in the 2 year sentence) And my point… what if the 22 year kid jumped on the crazy train and actually did this? Two years? No transparent representation? No Statements from the persecuting authorities…? No I don’t believe Andre Fisher did this; the real egregious action seems to be how the powers that be are treating his case.

    Light a candle, take a knee, bow to the Buddha, reaffirm the need for common sense and somehow believe that Andre Fisher will get a fair shake.

  9. Mizaru Says:

    http://www.petition2congress.com/4778/ensure-private-first-class-andre-fisher-gets-fair-trial-in-south/

  10. j. Says:

    Hi Scott,

    It’s nice to hear from you again.

    I have to say, however, that however good the original article is, i think it was a rude mistake to include personal correspondance between yourself and Jill Fisher in the piece you’ve listed above. If you did that *without* her clear permission, then you have breeched a sense of personal confidentiality.

    The consequences for this are likely to be, firstly of course, an immediate lack of trust between you and that person, meaning that you are likely to get less cooperation from them in future instead of more, and, secondly, a wider lack of trust between any intelligent readers who are potential sources of information in the future and will thereafter not trust your publication in general.

    And thirdly, the consequences might be any ramifications from that information getting out to a wider public when it was not expected by the original writer for that information to be out there. For example, in this case, if the judges in Andre M. Fisher’s case get wind of any sense of negativity in Jill’s tone from your publication of her private note to you, and then they decide to find against Andre partly out of a sense of response to that negativity, then you will have unwittingly contributed to his continued imprisonment, whether or not he is guilty of the original charge. You know it might well go down like that here. How would you feel about your contributing to that kind of an outcome?

    Finally, it cheapens the look of your publication. It makes you look desperate to throw any old piece of text into the mix, just to get more words on the page. If that’s the level you are aiming for, go ahead, but it certainly does not inspire me to read more, nor interest me in promoting ’3WM’ further as an example of a worthy read to locals or expats.

    Please remove that private correspondance. It will help your cause, and Jill’s, a lot. And, i want to be able to remain positive about your publication, and your sense of judgement.

    Regards,
    Julian Warmington

  11. jakesdarkplace Says:

    Why was he alone Scot? Unless he was breaking rules set forth by his base, there is at least one other soldier who should be able to account for him.

  12. jakesdarkplace Says:

    *note: There is a tiny chance that this man DID commit the crime

    sorry other jake but that comment is patently false. We were given meager facts to begin with and you only used your own experience to make that comment.

    I still want to know how he got into this position. As for fair trials, you are better off getting a fair deal with a hagwon owner. dont shit a shitter. How did he get busted?

    what did he do? is he being made example off?

  13. me Says:

    Finally something worth a shit on 3WM

  14. LTC John Holtzman (Army Retired) Says:

    I retired from the Army after almost 30 years of enlisted and commissioned service. Numerous overseas deployments including with the 1st CAV while a special opns officer assigned to them in Baghdad security districts and the 4 qadas (Taji etc.)from 2006-2007. I now work at a university and was handed a flyer about PFC Fisher by a student. As I read this information I thought as a VET that I would look into this. A couple of thoughts are:

    1. Just becasue you have a battle buddy doesn’t mean you don’t do stupid things. A small group of soldiers assitgned to the middle east went outside the wire on a joy ride with no mission whatsoever in a non tactical vehicle and never came back. They were killed by insurgents. I agree that it is commanders policy that all soldiers travel in buddy team though. So why he was out without one is a problem.
    2. Having been a commander three times in my career, I am finding it difficult to believe that his chain of command (which would include non-commisioned officers as well as commissioned officers) just washed their hands of this and didn’t ensure he had proper military legal representation. That is the side of the story I would like to hear.
    3. A Congressional Investigation filed by the family would require his chain of command to respond to specific questions. Especially relating to his leagl representation.
    4. looks like a nice kid and I hope if he is innocent that he gets free soon and that this doesn’t ruin his chances for a career in the military if that is what he wants.

    For everyone on here realize that in every investigation there are two sides of the story and somewhere in the middle is the truth. Unfortunately innocent people are sent to jail and not so innocent people are often set free.

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  16. wetcasements Says:

    “2. Having been a commander three times in my career, I am finding it difficult to believe that his chain of command (which would include non-commisioned officers as well as commissioned officers) just washed their hands of this and didn’t ensure he had proper military legal representation. That is the side of the story I would like to hear.”

    This is what’s confusing me as well.

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  18. kushibo Says:

    Though he was adopted and my instincts tell me that the Korean Judicial system did hold that against him in the 2 year sentence

    What instincts would that be that compel you to insert a huge dollop of speculation into what should be as just-the-facts as it can possibly be. If he is being railroaded, you undermine your case by (a) not pursuing obvious avenues of inquiry in your piece designed to draw attention to the case, (b) inserting speculation or opinion as if it has the weight of fact, (c) you leave out something that might be discovered later.

    Why did you not talk to the Camp Casey commanders yourself to get an answer why they did so little? Can you cite the legal justification given — even if it is lame — for the two-year sentence (e.g., robbery over mere theft?).

    I’m very sympathetic to Mr Fisher’s case, but there are a lot of holes in your post that need to be filled in, especially before you jump to conclusions like racial prejudice, railroading, harsher sentence because he’s an adoptee, etc., etc. Something is missing, even if it’s just the due diligence to demonstrate that nothing is missing.

  19. Mizaru Says:

    @16
    Yes, instincts are speculation. And the instinct of adoption being relevant to his sentencing is here in the comment section not in the story itself.

    One of the points is that family is getting stonewalled/ignored by KR. authorities, by Camp Casey authorities and the US embassy. It’s as easy as ‘chocopie’ to see what’s going here boss.

    Also if there was criminal violence inside the taxi cab wouldn’t that have come out somewhere through the Hermit Kingdom Media department?

    Check a few sources here for Adoption being part of the social fabric in Korea. In fact, ocassionally Adoption might be the giant upside down teddy bear in the Kr. family room.

    http://thethreewisemonkeys.com/?s=Adoption

    Not to worry 3wm will be developing features of adoption in Korea and the Kr. diaspora: Call us.

  20. Stephannie White Says:

    Thank you all for your positive contributions and concerns for Andre as a fellow human, living being, and, like all humans, deserving of his basic human rights. I’m shocked at the mudslimers here – you’ve lost your touch – 1. acording to US news media, Andre was not alone. 2. same news source says ANDRE NOT SEEN IN CCTV CLIP AT ALL, only a man with a hoodie. 3. ANDRE IS NOT LISTED AS WEARING A HOODIE THAT NIGHT. Please update yourselves on the current information available before you make negative comments about a human being who is incarcerated in a prison system within a country NOT famous for it’s hospitality and grace. Let’s all just focus on a fair trial and making sure his human rights are being met. If you care to seek knowledge rather than dither here with the slimers, go to Mightie Mike’s FB Fan page for the links. His family deleted posts on Andre’s page for fear of ‘making the military/ROK angry’ is my guess. Thank you again to the beautiful ppl – Mike’s burden is lifted a bit when we help another – remember Matthew Sellers, 2002 died in police custody… let’s not let Andre be another Mike or Matt.

  21. Aneika Says:

    Just to clarify:

    Andre was out with friends. He was not out alone.

    He was not allowed to call his own witnesses in the trial. This violates the Status of Armed Forces Agreement (SOFA) between the US and Korea.

    Here’s a link to SOFA if you’d like a reference: http://8tharmy.korea.army.mil/g1_AG/Programs_Policy/PublicationsRecords/Regulations/USFK/USFK%20Reg%201-44%20Criminal%20Jurisdiction%20Under%20Art%20XXII,%20SOFA.pdf

    You’ll notice the Andre could’ve been transferred to the army for handling. According to an MSNBC report, Andre’s commander saw the grainy video of a tall, thin male whose face was obscured, said he was guilty and handed him to the Korean authorities. Andre is tall and weights over 200 pounds.

    According to his sister, Andre was provided with a Korean attorney who said, “Oh, I see you are a [expletive deleted], but I’ll represent you anyway…”

    The point of the article, petition, and outrage, though, is to ensure that Andre gets a FAIR trial. A trial in which the defendant isn’t allowed to call his own witnesses and in which the only evidence is a grainy video of a man whose face is obscured, is NOT a fair trial.

    We’ve launched a petition to lobby Congress to investigate the issue. Please take a look at the petition for more details and sign it.

    http://www.petition2congress.com/4778/ensure-private-first-class-andre-fisher-gets-fair-trial-in-south/

    Thanks!

  22. kushibo Says:

    Fair enough about adoption’s relevance to the sentencing being in the comments section, not the body itself, though, coming from the author as it did, it still has added weightiness.

    Andre Fisher not being a Korean adoptee, however, I’d say that not only could you easily speculate that adoption had little or nothing to do with the supposedly harsh sentencing, but it might actually could be mitigating, since being adopted by a White family would offset and upset potential bias against Blacks by the court.

    As for “the Hermit Kingdom Media department” not discussing criminal violence in the criminal act, wouldn’t the prudent thing to do be to find the legal judgement or at least ask a reporter familiar with the case? They might not have printed it up because, well, they didn’t realize that 3WM were going to write about it.

    You’ve still got a lot of holes, in that you have three suspected wrongdoers — Korean authorities, Camp Casey authorities, and the US embassy — but no solid description of what they individually did wrong. Like I said, where is the discussion with the commander?

    I would also add the most obvious thing here: it ain’t over until it’s over. The initial judgement in my own direct experience with the court was wholly different from the final result, a punishment literally 1/20 of the original. Kevin Markle, convicted of brutally killing and sodomizing Yun Kŭmi, saw his prison sentence dropped from 40 years to 14. Patterson of the infamous Burger King killing was let out of jail early during an amnesty.

    These things happened in the absence of any effort to shine a light on any wrongdoing in how the case was handled; initial punishments/sentences are typically reduced, often dramatically. If this really is a case of railroading, and if pressure is kept on it from a factual foundation, then Andre Fisher may get his freedom much sooner than later. In the meantime, though 3WM have a lot of homework to do to polish this rough draft.

  23. Soothsayer Says:

    Korea is a country founded on the rule of men. There will never be justice here, only a roll of the dice.

  24. Robert Says:

    Are there are Korean-language press reports of this incident? GI—taxi driver incidents usually get reported, but I couldn’t seem to find this particular one. Just curious to see how the local media reported this one.

  25. Mizaru Says:

    What you are asking for Kushibo is the complete story… A listing of facts that is not yet available. The point of this (Part 1) story/notice is to get answers to the questions. It’s a work in progress and is in effect a good old fashioned PAMPHLET DISTRIBUTED ON A (electric) STREET CORNER to raise awareness for Private First Class Andre Fisher.

    Thomas Paine did this with a passed out pamphlet called COMMON SENSE. Please use some.

    3wm will tack up info as it becomes available. We have someone looking for Kr. Press Reports on the situation. Please post up in the comments or send an email as tracked down.

  26. David Says:

    This reminds me the Amanda Knox case, granted Knox was on trial for murder. She clearly didn’t get a fair trial like Fisher. The other parallel is the lack of evidence in both trials. I hope Fisher is able to get the fair trial he deserves.

  27. kushibo Says:

    A listing of facts that is not yet available. The point of this (Part 1) story/notice is to get answers to the questions.

    And yet with your admitted lack of facts, and questions that you haven’t yet answered, you call it a “wrongful conviction.” All I’m saying is that you don’t have enough of a slam dunk for what you’re trying to do. There’s no need to berate me for pointing that out.

  28. muggi Says:

    There must be a whole lot more to this story. I say this because I cannot believe an officer in the US armed forces could be so incompetent and negligent. Even if he is guilty the punishment clearly does not fit the crime. Unfortunately I think the only way justice will be served is through the spotlight of international media attention.

  29. Kyle Says:

    Kushi, there’s always a need to berate you. Anyone doing it is performing a public service. ;)

  30. Turner Says:

    I tend to agree with Jake on this one. The best idea is to run. There’s no justice when it comes to foreign residents of Asian countries.

  31. Kyle Says:

    Years ago, I interviewed on a more serious offence in Korea, murder of Jamie Penich in the Itaewon area. According to the mother of the falsely accused and acquited, Kenzi Snider, all signs pointed to the murderer being in the U.S armed forces. It took 4 years and the family savings for the Korean courts to accept the truth of Snider’s innocence. Checking the internet, the murderer has yet to be found.

    If this story and others I’ve known about are any indication, Fisher has a long road ahead of him in the Korean justice system.

  32. willy Says:

    Stephannie White (referring to Korea): a country NOT famous for it’s hospitality and grace.

    Why the need to slander an entire country?? Especially since you are DEAD wrong – Korea is known for it’s hospitality. If you had ever been invited to Korean’s home – you’d know exactly what I mean.

  33. JasonF Says:

    NO opinion about his guilt or innocence myself, way too few details. But about the sentencing, robbery is taking someone’s property through violence or intimidation, i.e. the threat of violence. The criminal (whoever it was that committed the crime be it this man or some other person) didn’t have to preform any violence all he had to do was threaten it. I have ridden in a taxi many, many times and I have never seen a huge stack of money laying where I could take it and run (theft). I would think whoever did it would have had to say something along the lines of give me your money or I will F you up, etc. for the taxi driver to produce the cash. IF he made a threat he robbed the man. If he robbed the man he is guilty of robbery not theft and is subject to stricter sentencing. Also, the amount of money wouldn’t matter if he took it through threat of violence.
    DISCLAIMER: This information is a hodgepodge of googling theft vs. robbery and watching a shit ton of police dramas.

  34. wetcasements Says:

    “I cannot believe an officer in the US armed forces could be so incompetent and negligent”

    My Lai and Abu Ghraib called. They’d like to speak with you.

  35. BB Says:

    Love you Andre.

  36. The Metropolitician Says:

    http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/2007/11/i-got-arrested.html

    In my own arrest, based on the accusation of a homeless vagrant drunk on soju, whom I called the police on in the first place, the cop actually said A FOREIGNER’S TESTIMONY IS WORTHLESS and I should have just left the scene. The only reason I even eventually got off was because my Korean model corroborated the story. Even though she was in my party, which one would think would technically make her testimony have less weight. The other American woman on the scene wasn’t interviewed. The cop said that, frankly, the only testimony that matters is a Korean’s.

    This guy got railroaded. If some drunk ajussi in a taxi said I did something and I had no Korean in my corner, it wouldn’t be a surprise how things would turn out. you know, the fact that he has whie parents will help him in Korea – lot. Better than being a 깜둥이, right?

  37. Sean Hayes Says:

    The quality of attorney provided by the military is often low. The military pays these local lawyers a small sum of money for cases that are often very complicated and need the assistance of a respected attorney willing to give time to the matter.

    Many of these attorneys just go through the process and are not actively engaging the court. I have no first hand information on the present case and I don’t know if this was the case in the present matter. However, I have seen many matters where this was the case in the past.

    As in the states, if you are receiving the assistance of a “public defender” type attorney – you may not be receiving the best attorney for the matter.

    Two-year sentence for “roberry” is a high sentence in Korea. If he has a decent lawyer and the facts are as stated above he should be able to receive a suspended sentence – thus not receive additional time in jail even if he is found guilty.

    Get the man a retired judge attorney. All other attorneys in criminal cases at court are usually useless.

  38. Stephannie White Says:

    no Willy, I’m not dead, my son is…from Korean “hospitality”

  39. Angry Army Wife Says:

    I have lived in S. Korea now for over a year with my husband. We too are stationed at Camp Casey. I can speak from experience about how much credibility taxi drivers do have… NONE!!! There have been several occasions when taxi drivers have tried to rip us off. They will try to charge more or not run the meter and still try to charge us the money is unaccounted for. Or my favorite is when they don’t want to give us our change back and continue to chant tip tip tip…. Even after you have demanded for your money. They have physically assaulted soldiers for no apparent reason.
    The Korean Police are always going to side with their own. One night this fight had broken out amongst a soldier and a group of Koreans and when the Korean Police were called of course the soldier had ran. We were sitting outside enjoying the bar-b-q… When the man tried to identify my friends husband as the one that assaulted him… Mind you he looked nothing like the soldier, and he had just come down form his apartment from take a healthy Sh*t… Had we all not stood up and started yelling at the accuser and the police… They would have taken him… solely because the man pointed at someone.
    I have never hated such a large group of people… but I have grown to hate them. Even in our every day lives we get treated below them. I am not allowed to sit on my front steps and enjoy my coffee while my dog goes to the bathroom, because a Korean woman complained(THE STEPS ARE HUGE). But they can lay their peppers all over the place to where we cannot walk on the side walks. We are not allowed to congregate outside and enjoy time with friends and family without having to deal with complaining nationals, but its okay for their KIDS to be outside drunk at ALL hours of the night vandalizing our property and destroying the neighborhoods that we live in.
    My all time favorite thing is.. When there is an incident that occurs off post between military soldiers or spouses and the MPs are called, we get the response that they have NO JURISDICTION off post…. At that point the KMPS are called and they could give a shit. We have no protection whatsoever. Not by our own military police and definitely not by the Korean police. The justice system here is a complete joke. I could believe that his command didn’t do anything because Camp Casey is a joke. I am pregnant and was assaulted by another spouse and no one would do anything! Thankfully me and my child are ok, but the MP’s told me they had no jurisdiction and thhe KMP’s wanted me and the girl to pay a lot of money to open a case. WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
    I do not know if Andre Fisher is innocent.. But I do know he is innocent until proven guilty PROPERLY! I do know that soldiers do stupid things because we hear about them all the time, but I do know that Koreans are ignorant, rude, and dishonest. He deserves a fair trial, whether he is black, white, Hispanic, adopted, orphaned or what ever the case may be. I know they are a racist country simply on the fact I have been at the playground when you hear a group of Korean kids calling a black kid a Ni**er… mind you they cannot speak a lick of English but they know this word and use it quite freely..
    I pray for you Andre Fisher and I really hope that justice serves you in the way that you should be.

  40. Me Says:

    Wow angry, that sounds so bad.

    Gee, wait: what about the areas around the Army bases on U.S. soil?

    Those places must be paradise?

    No. Drunks, whore houses, tattoo parlors, and pawn shops litter every base in the states.

    At least your kids can play off base here and are relativly safe with proper supervision. Back home, you’d have to compete with local gangs of drug dealers for playground space.

    Is Korea perfect? No, put your wide brush doesn’t do it any justice.

    Now go churn out some more brats so you can get a bigger tax refund.

  41. Aneika Says:

    I understand people’s concerns about the details. However, consider what we DO know:

    1- the only evidence was a grainy video of a tall, slender person in a hood whose far was obscured. Andre is tall and weighs over 200lbs. I checked with Andre’s family about whether or not the tape was cleaned up and it WAS NOT. The jury COULD NOT see the face of the individual on the tape NOR does Fisher fit the physical description of the person on the tape.

    2- Fisher was NOT allowed to call his own witnesses. He has a Korean attorney. That violated SOFA

    Does that sound like a FAIR trial to you?

    Lastly, please consider the following:

    1- the petition is asking the govt to ensure Fisher gets a FAIR trial

    http://www.petition2congre​ss.com/4778/ensure-private​-first-class-andre-fisher-​gets-fair-trial-in-south/

    2- why do we tend to always assume the worse about each other? We do it with our Korean co-teachers and with our soldiers. There might be more upstanding guys in the military than there are dirt bags. Based on conversations with ppl who know Fisher, he’s a respectful, nice, upstanding young man

    3- lets not be so naive to think this stuff couldn’t or wouldnt happen in Korea or to YOU one day. Let’s stand up for the ppl who are being screwed because one day you may need those same ppl to stand up for you. Never say never. As my daddy always says, “there goes I if not for God’s grace.”

    So, please sign the petition. Again, we just want to ensure he gets a FAIR trial. He should at least be granted that.

    http://www.petition2congre​ss.com/4778/ensure-private​-first-class-andre-fisher-​gets-fair-trial-in-south/

  42. Larrym Says:

    “Local expats have expressed outrage at the questionable conviction,”
    no you’ve just got a few cranks looking for an excuse riled up.

    At this point I’d have to say the weekly world news provides more fact based stories..

  43. hip2bsquare Says:

    Well, Larry, The weekly world news– That is SOMETHING you would know– if not much else.

  44. Was USFK Soldier Andre Fisher Falsely Convicted By A Korean Court? | ROK Drop Says:

    [...] for robbery was harsh.  Some speculation has even been made that the sentence was harsh because Fisher was black and was an adopted by his parents.  The sentence of two years for robbery is actually fairly normal.  Earlier this year two [...]

  45. willy Says:

    Stephannie White Says:

    no Willy, I’m not dead, my son is…from Korean “hospitality”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well Stephanie – just continue to slander an entire country of 45+ million people – and see how fast your son gets out of prison.

    If he ends up losing his appeal – it will in part be because of ignorant comments like yours.

  46. Ming Ding Xiong Says:

    Not that I agree with Stephannie’s often-racist views of Korea and Koreans, but her 14-year-old son died in Korea. He’s not in prison.

  47. Harry Denton Says:

    “Me” could you get a clue from your self-serving nonsense and please don’t have any kids yourself.
    The Andre fisher case is serious and sensitive and the “Me” fool is self-serving and obviously a nobody.

  48. Mizaru Says:

    Yes, “ME” you are off this thread.
    Why do you even come to 3wm? There must be Beavis and Buthead sites you are more suited to troll.

    You are like a 10th round draft choice mocking those who got picked in the higher rounds. Please keep that jealousy off this site and do move on.
    3WM

  49. cardigan stewz Says:

    Andre didn’t understand the bullshit process you have to go through to get ‘released” in Korea. He’ll be released shortly after his appeal.

  50. RabbitRabbi Says:

    Type of Crimes US Personnel in South Korea were Convicted for in 2010:
    destruction of property – 12
    punishment for violence – 6
    larceny 14
    bodily injury – 22
    DUI – 28
    traffic violation – 11
    document related crime – 3
    counterfeit document – 1
    lewd act w/ media device – 1
    fraud – 5
    violation of credit act – 1
    obstruction of official duties – 5
    escape from custody – 1
    assault – 24
    hit & run – 9
    drug – 4
    violation of auto management act – 3
    trespassing – 2
    indecent act on a minor – 1
    Total number of crimes: 153

    Total soldiers convicted of crimes: 128

    About 83.5% of U.S. Personal arrested in Korea where convicted in 2010.

    The most recent data I could find on Koreans being arrested for committing crimes in Korea was 2007.

    Crime Number
    Murder – 1,062
    Burglary – 3,731
    Rape – 7,795
    Theft – 102,688
    Assault – 270,428
    Total – 385,704
    Korea has a conviction rate of 99% which means that of the 385,704 people arrested it is estimated that 381,847 people were convicted in 2007.

    A 90-plus percent conviction rate isn’t something that should be applauded. I think it’s something you should worry about. That’s what you see in totalitarian regimes. America “land of the free” is not far behind with and average pushing 90% conviction rate for all federal cases. If you look at the numbers whether you are a professional criminal or not it may be wise advice to keep a hot shot lawyer on retainer. That is if you can afford it.

    “Cops wanna knock me, D.A. wanna box me in
    But somehow, I beat them charges like Rocky” – Shawn Corey Carter

  51. bdh Says:

    i dont know if the decision was a jury aided (my understanding is that the jury is not the final trier of fact)…but..can you imagine being a foreigner (black no less) and having to be judged (sic) by a jury of korean (peers??) …LOL

    ===

    some people on here might want to differentiate b/w american crim. code provisions and korean.

    are ppl who are beetching about the sentence really up to date on korean sentencing laws?

    if this was a gambling house and you asked me if i think this guy took money fromn this taxi driver – id say no…a bet is one thing but all the other stuff is silly babble by very ignorant people.

    imo -> +1 on korean legal system being a joke though

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  53. mizaru Says:

    Readers– The comment section for the Andre Fisher story is shutter-closed. First do no harm is part of the 3WM day-by day…

    Andre Fisher’s family and well wishers want a “clean and fair trial” and are concerned that all of the build-up around his case could cause a certain amount of backlash against him. Court Date: Aug 9th at 11:10….Seoul High Court in room 404

    Stay tuned to 3WM for a prison visit with Andre.

  54. The Three Wise Monkeys » Blog Archive » Obstruction and Doubt: Investigating the Case of Army PVT Andre Fisher Says:

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